tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post5843225950788253768..comments2023-03-10T21:22:12.685-08:00Comments on The Veggie Patch Re-imagined: Brassica names - perennial biennial, oh what the h*llOttawa Gardenerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14486499450332482461noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-42456134687363709252010-12-15T18:04:17.216-08:002010-12-15T18:04:17.216-08:00Thanks for updating me though.Thanks for updating me though.Ottawa Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486499450332482461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-61006982051937760832010-12-15T18:03:53.107-08:002010-12-15T18:03:53.107-08:00Yes, sometimes the borders are pesky!Yes, sometimes the borders are pesky!Ottawa Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486499450332482461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-30675393575847441152010-12-15T12:55:55.032-08:002010-12-15T12:55:55.032-08:00Alas, I just got word back from the Agroforestry f...Alas, I just got word back from the Agroforestry folks in the UK and they do not ship outside of Europe.jtehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17318378188704219078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-86105586349395565642010-12-14T14:00:16.628-08:002010-12-14T14:00:16.628-08:00I don't know if they'll ship to N. America...I don't know if they'll ship to N. America, but 'Daubenton' perennial kale is listed in the 2010/2011 Agroforestry Research Trust catalog: http://www.agroforestry.co.uk and http://www.agroforestry.co.uk/Catalogue201011.pdf for the PDF catalog directly.jtehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17318378188704219078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-57990035667427300082008-11-10T09:59:00.000-08:002008-11-10T09:59:00.000-08:00By that I meant B&W (where is my brain). Leigh...By that I meant B&W (where is my brain). <BR/><BR/>Leigh: <BR/><BR/>At any rate, I ran across Peter's Seed Research when 'researching' this subject and noted that people listed seed that wasn't sold anymore. I wonder if it didn't perform very well? I am going to try and naturalize some kales and mustards next year in the garden. We'll see how they do. <BR/><BR/>Patrick: <BR/><BR/>I was reading (again) Vegetable Varieties of Canada (for me a very exciting read) under the entry of kale and they say that they occasionally become woody perennials in the tropics? This might validate some reports of seeing very kale plants some places. In fact these ideas are so interesting, I might have to write another post on it!<BR/><BR/>Barbara:<BR/><BR/>I promise to report back on my 'findings' when I have some. As for hardiness zones, I hear ya! I am American zone 4 / Canada zone 5a and fennel never overwinters for me even though it should be borderline hardy for me. However, many other plants with hardinesses of zone 6 do fine. Another post is in that, I think.<BR/><BR/>Go figure.Ottawa Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486499450332482461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-1789489632565948392008-11-10T09:14:00.000-08:002008-11-10T09:14:00.000-08:00So much of what we grow from elsewhere is just a b...So much of what we grow from elsewhere is just a big fat experiment. I've had T&M flower seeds that were supposed to be Zone 9 - be absolutely perennial in my 5B garden, and other perennials that were supposed to be hardy, just poop out. However, when I read that something is perennial in your Ottawa garden - I'm going to really believe that it is.Barbarapchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990013417063903768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-85279468047050354682008-11-10T08:40:00.000-08:002008-11-10T08:40:00.000-08:00Interesting info. You might be interested in the k...Interesting info. You might be interested in the kales at Peter's Seed Research http://www.psrseed.com/kaleseed.html . This breeder has been doing some super work over the years - I'm an unabashed fan. In the past he has had other varieties than are listed there now, hopefully, they will be offered again. We have roughly 2 types naturalised in the gardens that originated with his Siberians and Russian Reds about ten years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-52773838667129429332008-11-10T06:57:00.000-08:002008-11-10T06:57:00.000-08:00Indeed there are many perennial progenators in the...Indeed there are many perennial progenators in the brassica family and I have no doubt the genes are lurking within those leaves. I guess really we should try to distinguish 'short lived perennial' from monocarpic. My understanding was that perennial broccoli was monocarpic - ie., 9 star broccoli, however, I would love to hear about another form. Sometimes, I know that the sprouting broccolis will live more than 2 years. Certainly kales and cabbages do, on occasion, in my garden. I guess it might be true of all brassicas? Thanks Patrick! <BR/><BR/>Oh and I don't know if you are allowed to invoke the B&G metaphor anymore. How about use of the term 'simple dichotomy'- sounds safe no? I would never want to be making a purely binary argument, in fact I want to tease apart these complexities for my own psuedo clarity and for others ;-)<BR/><BR/>I would love to talk with Lieven more about that.Ottawa Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486499450332482461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7157796120640152479.post-13005529371038696182008-11-10T06:37:00.000-08:002008-11-10T06:37:00.000-08:00I was talking with Lieven who breeds brassicas the...I was talking with Lieven who breeds brassicas the other day about perennial broccoli. He said in fact the genes for being perennial are always there, it's only a matter of if and how they express themselves. I suspect it's similar for other brassicas.<BR/><BR/>In fact I think there are different forms of perennial, for example winter hardiness or how many years it's really reasonable to expect the plant will live in a given climate.<BR/><BR/>Lieven mentioned many ordinary broccolis can go on for an extra year or two if you leave them in your garden.<BR/><BR/>You're probably just trying to make a somewhat complex set of variables very black and white.<BR/><BR/>Are we allowed to say black and white anymore? Judging from the Day One/Soapbox discussion on the HG forum, this seems to be in doubt these days...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com